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	Poisons can coexist with temporary stone enchantments. Sap retains Stealth without requiring a talent. Distract also reduces enemy Stealth detection for ten seconds, and Feint's threat reduction is doubled. These baseline statements are separate from bonuses supplied by talents.<ref name="official-oct7">Blizzard Entertainment, [https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/24310968/world-of-warcraft-forever-class-deep-dives-rogue-and-warlock Rogue developer overview], published 7 October 2026 (UTC); written body reviewed 12 October.</ref>		Poisons can coexist with temporary stone enchantments. Sap retains Stealth without requiring a talent. Distract also reduces enemy Stealth detection for ten seconds, and Feint's threat reduction is doubled. These baseline statements are separate from bonuses supplied by talents.<ref name="official-oct7">Blizzard Entertainment, [https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/24310968/world-of-warcraft-forever-class-deep-dives-rogue-and-warlock Rogue developer overview], published 7 October 2026 (UTC); written body reviewed 12 October.</ref>

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	[[File:WoW-Forever-Rogue-official-preview.png\|thumb\|center\|640px\|Blizzard's Rogue talent-window preview; published 7 October 2026 (UTC), client build unspecified.]]		[[File:WoW-Forever-Rogue-official-preview.png\|thumb\|center\|640px\|Blizzard's Rogue talent-window preview; published 7 October 2026 (UTC), client build unspecified.]]
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	The article is a developer description. Earlier talent records retain their own source builds; the preview image is not a current allocation or a recommended build.		The article is a developer description. Earlier talent records retain their own source builds; the preview image is not a current allocation or a recommended build.

WikiAdmin: Expand sourced Forever dungeon, cooking and class references and preserve build history

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Expand sourced Forever dungeon, cooking and class references and preserve build history

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	<div class="fw-notice">'''Latest source review: 8 October 2026.''' The ~~new section summarizes~~ the ~~current~~ licensed records~~. Earlier~~ guide ~~sections retain their stated snapshots and may describe superseded behavior~~. ~~This is source research,~~ not ~~an independent playtest~~.</div>		<div class="fw-notice">'''Latest written-source review: 12 October 2026.''' The developer overview below is dated separately from the licensed records and earlier guide history. It does not identify a client build or replace those records with a gameplay test.</div>

	'''Rogue''' — The Rogue beta data uses Energy and combo points, with poison, weapon, and stealth interactions distributed across Assassination, Combat, and Subtlety. Talent names familiar from another edition can have different positions or effects here.<ref name="preview">Chris Baldwin, [https://talentsforever.com/rogue Talents Forever], [https://talentsforever.com/data.json CC BY 4.0 export], generated 18 September 2026, reviewed 19 September 2026. Talent and spell data identify Forever beta build 1.60.1.69876; older demo observations are labeled separately. Adapted for this guide; see [[Project:Talent data]] for attribution and evidence limits.</ref>		'''Rogue''' — The Rogue beta data uses Energy and combo points, with poison, weapon, and stealth interactions distributed across Assassination, Combat, and Subtlety. Talent names familiar from another edition can have different positions or effects here.<ref name="preview">Chris Baldwin, [https://talentsforever.com/rogue Talents Forever], [https://talentsforever.com/data.json CC BY 4.0 export], generated 18 September 2026, reviewed 19 September 2026. Talent and spell data identify Forever beta build 1.60.1.69876; older demo observations are labeled separately. Adapted for this guide; see [[Project:Talent data]] for attribution and evidence limits.</ref>

	Browse [[Rogue talents\|all 53 Rogue talents]] with icons, ranks, prerequisites, and individual source notes.		Browse [[Rogue talents\|all 53 Rogue talents]] with icons, ranks, prerequisites, and individual source notes.

			== October 12 written-source review ==
			Poisons can coexist with temporary stone enchantments. Sap retains Stealth without requiring a talent. Distract also reduces enemy Stealth detection for ten seconds, and Feint's threat reduction is doubled. These baseline statements are separate from bonuses supplied by talents.<ref name="official-oct7">Blizzard Entertainment, [https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/24310968/world-of-warcraft-forever-class-deep-dives-rogue-and-warlock Rogue developer overview], published 7 October 2026 (UTC); written body reviewed 12 October.</ref>

			[[File:WoW-Forever-Rogue-official-preview.png\|thumb\|center\|640px\|Blizzard's Rogue talent-window preview; published 7 October 2026 (UTC), client build unspecified.]]

			The article is a developer description. Earlier talent records retain their own source builds; the preview image is not a current allocation or a recommended build.

	== October 8 record review ==		== October 8 record review ==

WikiAdmin: Refresh sourced Forever beta references and add PvP and Excavation Site research

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Refresh sourced Forever beta references and add PvP and Excavation Site research

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	<div class="fw-notice">'''~~Beta reference · reviewed 19 September~~ 2026.''' ~~Talent descriptions and identified spell~~ records ~~use community-extracted data from Forever beta build '''1.60.1.69876'''~~. Earlier ~~demo observations are labeled separately~~. ~~Source confirmation means the text was checked against the cited data; this wiki has~~ not ~~independently tested these mechanics in-game~~.</div>		<div class="fw-notice">'''Latest source review: 8 October 2026.''' The new section summarizes the current licensed records. Earlier guide sections retain their stated snapshots and may describe superseded behavior. This is source research, not an independent playtest.</div>

	'''Rogue''' — The Rogue beta data uses Energy and combo points, with poison, weapon, and stealth interactions distributed across Assassination, Combat, and Subtlety. Talent names familiar from another edition can have different positions or effects here.<ref name="preview">Chris Baldwin, [https://talentsforever.com/rogue Talents Forever], [https://talentsforever.com/data.json CC BY 4.0 export], generated 18 September 2026, reviewed 19 September 2026. Talent and spell data identify Forever beta build 1.60.1.69876; older demo observations are labeled separately. Adapted for this guide; see [[Project:Talent data]] for attribution and evidence limits.</ref>		'''Rogue''' — The Rogue beta data uses Energy and combo points, with poison, weapon, and stealth interactions distributed across Assassination, Combat, and Subtlety. Talent names familiar from another edition can have different positions or effects here.<ref name="preview">Chris Baldwin, [https://talentsforever.com/rogue Talents Forever], [https://talentsforever.com/data.json CC BY 4.0 export], generated 18 September 2026, reviewed 19 September 2026. Talent and spell data identify Forever beta build 1.60.1.69876; older demo observations are labeled separately. Adapted for this guide; see [[Project:Talent data]] for attribution and evidence limits.</ref>
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	Browse [[Rogue talents\|all 53 Rogue talents]] with icons, ranks, prerequisites, and individual source notes.		Browse [[Rogue talents\|all 53 Rogue talents]] with icons, ranks, prerequisites, and individual source notes.

	== Changes from the demo ==		== October 8 record review ==
			The pinned export was generated 7 October. Differences below compare it with the previous wiki snapshot; the review date is not a game-patch date.<ref name="oct8">Chris Baldwin, [https://talentsforever.com/data.json Talents Forever CC BY 4.0 export], generated 7 October and retrieved 8 October 2026. Source build 70170; adaptations and exclusions recorded at [[Project:Talent data]].</ref>

			* [[Setup]] now specifies that the dodged attack or fully resisted spell must come from the target receiving the Combo Point.
			* [[Venom]] lists a 1–5 Combo Point requirement; the earlier 100-yard cost-line field is no longer present. Duration remains tied to Combo Points. This is a source correction, not independent evidence of a newly applied hotfix.<ref name="oct8" />

			Use [[Rogue talents]] for current ranks and prerequisites and [[Rogue spellbook]] for the bounded spell selection.

			== Earlier guide snapshot ==
			The following sections were last reviewed on 2026-09-19. Their original citations and observations remain historical context; the update above and individual record pages identify later differences.

			=== Changes from the demo ===
	The beta export keeps 53 named Rogue talents, with [[Flawless Execution]] replacing [[Restless Blades]]. [[Aggression]] no longer lists [[Hack and Slash]] as a prerequisite. Recheck a saved Combat allocation against these changes instead of copying its old dependency path.<ref name="preview" />		The beta export keeps 53 named Rogue talents, with [[Flawless Execution]] replacing [[Restless Blades]]. [[Aggression]] no longer lists [[Hack and Slash]] as a prerequisite. Recheck a saved Combat allocation against these changes instead of copying its old dependency path.<ref name="preview" />

	For source-listed learning levels 1–20, see [[Rogue spellbook]]. Its tables exclude Classic fallback tooltips and explain the source’s level-60 tooltip context.		For source-listed learning levels 1–20, see [[Rogue spellbook]]. Its tables exclude Classic fallback tooltips and explain the source’s level-60 tooltip context.

	== Choose a reading path ==		=== Choose a reading path ===
	The following is an editorial route through the beta talent data, not a recommended point allocation.<ref name="preview" />		The following is an editorial route through the beta talent data, not a recommended point allocation.<ref name="preview" />
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	== Abilities and changes worth checking ==		=== Abilities and changes worth checking ===
	These summaries use the cited beta records. Baseline spells and talents are identified separately; older demo observations are called out when used.<ref name="preview" />		These summaries use the cited beta records. Baseline spells and talents are identified separately; older demo observations are called out when used.<ref name="preview" />
	* '''Mutilate.''' A beta talent, not a baseline ability: its description combines both weapons, adds combo points, and gains a benefit against poisoned targets.		* '''Mutilate.''' A beta talent, not a baseline ability: its description combines both weapons, adds combo points, and gains a benefit against poisoned targets.
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	* '''One-handed axes.''' The export identifies axe use as a change, supported by the Axe/Sword grouping in [[Hack and Slash]]. Do not infer two-handed weapon access from that grouping.		* '''One-handed axes.''' The export identifies axe use as a change, supported by the Axe/Sword grouping in [[Hack and Slash]]. Do not infer two-handed weapon access from that grouping.

	== Plan a beta session ==		=== Plan a beta session ===
	These are suggested checks for learning the class and collecting useful evidence; they are not claims about the strongest build.		These are suggested checks for learning the class and collecting useful evidence; they are not claims about the strongest build.
	* Compare weapons against the actual Hack and Slash branch they activate, not only the item’s damage range.		* Compare weapons against the actual Hack and Slash branch they activate, not only the item’s damage range.
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	* For Subtlety, track the Energy cost and Stealth requirement of the follow-up attack after a proc rather than assuming it remains unchanged.		* For Subtlety, track the Energy cost and Stealth requirement of the follow-up attack after a proc rather than assuming it remains unchanged.

	== Race choice ==		=== Race choice ===
	Use [[Race and class combinations#Rogue\|the Rogue race list]] to separate officially announced additions from the broader preview roster. Follow the linked [[Races\|race guides]] for recorded racials; a racial tooltip does not establish a universal best choice.		Use [[Race and class combinations#Rogue\|the Rogue race list]] to separate officially announced additions from the broader preview roster. Follow the linked [[Races\|race guides]] for recorded racials; a racial tooltip does not establish a universal best choice.

	== How the beta talent data fits together ==		=== How the beta talent data fits together ===
	'''Talent evidence:''' The cited beta export supplies source-confirmed text for every rank of this class's current talents. That verifies the source text, not live behavior or final balance. Earlier demo estimates do not override the beta records; any separately labeled unverified observation still needs a rank and build check.<ref name="preview" />		'''Talent evidence:''' The cited beta export supplies source-confirmed text for every rank of this class's current talents. That verifies the source text, not live behavior or final balance. Earlier demo estimates do not override the beta records; any separately labeled unverified observation still needs a rank and build check.<ref name="preview" />

	Icy Veins highlights different relationships between weapons, poisons, and bleeds in the three trees. The following examples use the beta Forever talent conditions rather than its predictions about final damage rankings.<ref name="icy">Sellin, [https://www.icy-veins.com/wow-forever/rogue-class-overview Rogue Class Overview], Icy Veins, updated 15 September 2026; reviewed 17 September 2026.</ref><ref name="preview" />		Icy Veins highlights different relationships between weapons, poisons, and bleeds in the three trees. The following examples use the beta Forever talent conditions rather than its predictions about final damage rankings.<ref name="icy">Sellin, [https://www.icy-veins.com/wow-forever/rogue-class-overview Rogue Class Overview], Icy Veins, updated 15 September 2026; reviewed 17 September 2026.</ref><ref name="preview" />

	=== Assassination: separate poison setup from spending ===		==== Assassination: separate poison setup from spending ====
	[[Mutilate]] grants two combo points and deals additional damage when its target is poisoned. [[Venom]] spends combo points on a temporary poison benefit, with a longer duration for more points. That makes the state of the poison, current Energy, and remaining buff time useful things to track. It does not establish that every finisher should be Venom.<ref name="preview" />		[[Mutilate]] grants two combo points and deals additional damage when its target is poisoned. [[Venom]] spends combo points on a temporary poison benefit, with a longer duration for more points. That makes the state of the poison, current Energy, and remaining buff time useful things to track. It does not establish that every finisher should be Venom.<ref name="preview" />

	[[Improved Expose Armor]] changes both Energy cost and the combo-point refund after a five-point Expose Armor. The beta export confirms the listed refunds: one combo point at rank 1, two at rank 2. Read the selected rank instead of assuming a single refund applies at every investment.<ref name="preview" />		[[Improved Expose Armor]] changes both Energy cost and the combo-point refund after a five-point Expose Armor. The beta export confirms the listed refunds: one combo point at rank 1, two at rank 2. Read the selected rank instead of assuming a single refund applies at every investment.<ref name="preview" />

	=== Combat: check which attack activates the benefit ===		==== Combat: check which attack activates the benefit ====
	[[Puncturing Wounds]] names Backstab and Mutilate; it is not a critical-strike bonus to every attack. [[Flawless Execution]] reduces Eviscerate's Energy cost by 10. It replaces the demo's [[Restless Blades]] entry, so the earlier finisher-based cooldown reductions must not be carried into a beta build.<ref name="preview" />		[[Puncturing Wounds]] names Backstab and Mutilate; it is not a critical-strike bonus to every attack. [[Flawless Execution]] reduces Eviscerate's Energy cost by 10. It replaces the demo's [[Restless Blades]] entry, so the earlier finisher-based cooldown reductions must not be carried into a beta build.<ref name="preview" />

	[[Hack and Slash]] changes its effect with the weapon family. A weapon swap can therefore change the kind of benefit you receive even when your talent allocation stays the same.<ref name="preview" />		[[Hack and Slash]] changes its effect with the weapon family. A weapon swap can therefore change the kind of benefit you receive even when your talent allocation stays the same.<ref name="preview" />

	=== Subtlety: watch Rupture and temporary opportunities ===		==== Subtlety: watch Rupture and temporary opportunities ====
	[[Hemorrhage]] improves the Rogue's Rupture damage on its target. Rupture ticks can then build [[Thousand Cuts]] reductions for the next Hemorrhage or Backstab, with a stack cap and a ten-second use window. [[Cutthroat]] instead starts from Backstab and can make the next Ambush usable without Stealth for a limited time. These are two distinct effects to watch; a Rupture tick does not itself trigger Cutthroat.<ref name="preview" />		[[Hemorrhage]] improves the Rogue's Rupture damage on its target. Rupture ticks can then build [[Thousand Cuts]] reductions for the next Hemorrhage or Backstab, with a stack cap and a ten-second use window. [[Cutthroat]] instead starts from Backstab and can make the next Ambush usable without Stealth for a limited time. These are two distinct effects to watch; a Rupture tick does not itself trigger Cutthroat.<ref name="preview" />

	== Poison recipe reference ==		=== Poison recipe reference ===
	[[Rogue poisons]] covers all 21 poison-crafting and Blinding Powder records added to the licensed export generated 20 September and reviewed 23 September. It includes learning levels, reagent lists, created items, and source-listed effects. The two level-20 recipes also appear in [[Rogue spellbook]]. Higher ranks remain client records with acquisition to verify; no Classic poison values are substituted.		[[Rogue poisons]] covers all 21 poison-crafting and Blinding Powder records added to the licensed export generated 20 September and reviewed 23 September. It includes learning levels, reagent lists, created items, and source-listed effects. The two level-20 recipes also appear in [[Rogue spellbook]]. Higher ranks remain client records with acquisition to verify; no Classic poison values are substituted.

	== Control and preparation ==		=== Control and preparation ===
	The beta spellbook still lists Blind using Blinding Powder, and its control ends if the target takes damage. Plan reagents and target selection accordingly. Demo characters can also have talent-granted buttons in their spellbook: seeing Blade Flurry or Adrenaline Rush there does not make either ability baseline.<ref name="preview" />		The beta spellbook still lists Blind using Blinding Powder, and its control ends if the target takes damage. Plan reagents and target selection accordingly. Demo characters can also have talent-granted buttons in their spellbook: seeing Blade Flurry or Adrenaline Rush there does not make either ability baseline.<ref name="preview" />

	== What remains unresolved ==		=== What remains unresolved ===
	This guide does not establish a final poison mix, weapon ranking, leveling allocation, or optimal finisher sequence. Those require combat observations and a recorded build.		This guide does not establish a final poison mix, weapon ranking, leveling allocation, or optimal finisher sequence. Those require combat observations and a recorded build.

WikiAdmin: Update Forever references from official written posts and reviewed beta data

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Update Forever references from official written posts and reviewed beta data

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	=== Subtlety: watch Rupture and temporary opportunities ===		=== Subtlety: watch Rupture and temporary opportunities ===
	[[Hemorrhage]] improves the Rogue's Rupture damage on its target. Rupture ticks can then build [[Thousand Cuts]] reductions for the next Hemorrhage or Backstab, with a stack cap and a ten-second use window. [[Cutthroat]] instead starts from Backstab and can make the next Ambush usable without Stealth for a limited time. These are two distinct effects to watch; a Rupture tick does not itself trigger Cutthroat.<ref name="preview" />		[[Hemorrhage]] improves the Rogue's Rupture damage on its target. Rupture ticks can then build [[Thousand Cuts]] reductions for the next Hemorrhage or Backstab, with a stack cap and a ten-second use window. [[Cutthroat]] instead starts from Backstab and can make the next Ambush usable without Stealth for a limited time. These are two distinct effects to watch; a Rupture tick does not itself trigger Cutthroat.<ref name="preview" />

			== Poison recipe reference ==
			[[Rogue poisons]] covers all 21 poison-crafting and Blinding Powder records added to the licensed export generated 20 September and reviewed 23 September. It includes learning levels, reagent lists, created items, and source-listed effects. The two level-20 recipes also appear in [[Rogue spellbook]]. Higher ranks remain client records with acquisition to verify; no Classic poison values are substituted.

	== Control and preparation ==		== Control and preparation ==

WikiAdmin: Add sourced Forever spell and quest references, reviewed source corrections, and attributed previews

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	== Changes from the demo ==		== Changes from the demo ==
	The beta export keeps 53 named Rogue talents, with [[Flawless Execution]] replacing [[Restless Blades]]. [[Aggression]] no longer lists [[Hack and Slash]] as a prerequisite. Recheck a saved Combat allocation against these changes instead of copying its old dependency path.<ref name="preview" />		The beta export keeps 53 named Rogue talents, with [[Flawless Execution]] replacing [[Restless Blades]]. [[Aggression]] no longer lists [[Hack and Slash]] as a prerequisite. Recheck a saved Combat allocation against these changes instead of copying its old dependency path.<ref name="preview" />

			For source-listed learning levels 1–20, see [[Rogue spellbook]]. Its tables exclude Classic fallback tooltips and explain the source’s level-60 tooltip context.

	== Choose a reading path ==		== Choose a reading path ==

WikiAdmin: Update sourced Forever beta content and preserve historical preview evidence

2026-09-19T04:38:07Z

Update sourced Forever beta content and preserve historical preview evidence

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	<div class="fw-notice">'''~~Preview guide~~ · reviewed 17 September 2026.''' ~~The mechanics below come~~ from ~~BlizzCon preview sources~~. ~~They have been source~~ checked~~, but have~~ not ~~been~~ tested ~~by this wiki~~ in ~~a release build. Talent articles distinguish recorded ranks from estimates and missing text~~.</div>		<div class="fw-notice">'''Beta reference · reviewed 19 September 2026.''' Talent descriptions and identified spell records use community-extracted data from Forever beta build '''1.60.1.69876'''. Earlier demo observations are labeled separately. Source confirmation means the text was checked against the cited data; this wiki has not independently tested these mechanics in-game.</div>

	'''Rogue''' — The Rogue ~~preview~~ uses Energy and combo points, with poison, weapon, and stealth interactions distributed across Assassination, Combat, and Subtlety. Talent names familiar from another edition can have different positions or effects here.<ref name="preview">Chris Baldwin, [https://talentsforever.com/rogue Talents Forever], [https://talentsforever.com/data.json CC BY 4.0 ~~data~~ export], ~~snapshot 16~~ September 2026. ~~Community transcription of BlizzCon demo footage~~ and ~~slides~~; ~~rechecked 17 September 2026~~. Adapted ~~and summarized~~ for this guide~~. See~~ [[Project:Talent data]] for evidence ~~labels and attribution~~.</ref>		'''Rogue''' — The Rogue beta data uses Energy and combo points, with poison, weapon, and stealth interactions distributed across Assassination, Combat, and Subtlety. Talent names familiar from another edition can have different positions or effects here.<ref name="preview">Chris Baldwin, [https://talentsforever.com/rogue Talents Forever], [https://talentsforever.com/data.json CC BY 4.0 export], generated 18 September 2026, reviewed 19 September 2026. Talent and spell data identify Forever beta build 1.60.1.69876; older demo observations are labeled separately. Adapted for this guide; see [[Project:Talent data]] for attribution and evidence limits.</ref>

	Browse [[Rogue talents\|all 53 Rogue talents]] with icons, ranks, prerequisites, and individual source notes.		Browse [[Rogue talents\|all 53 Rogue talents]] with icons, ranks, prerequisites, and individual source notes.

			== Changes from the demo ==
			The beta export keeps 53 named Rogue talents, with [[Flawless Execution]] replacing [[Restless Blades]]. [[Aggression]] no longer lists [[Hack and Slash]] as a prerequisite. Recheck a saved Combat allocation against these changes instead of copying its old dependency path.<ref name="preview" />

	== Choose a reading path ==		== Choose a reading path ==
	The following is an editorial route through the ~~preview~~, not a recommended point allocation.<ref name="preview" />		The following is an editorial route through the beta talent data, not a recommended point allocation.<ref name="preview" />
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	== Abilities and changes worth checking ==		== Abilities and changes worth checking ==
	These ~~are summarized from~~ the ~~pinned community demo transcription~~. Baseline spells and talents are identified separately ~~where the source supports that distinction~~.<ref name="preview" />		These summaries use the cited beta records. Baseline spells and talents are identified separately; older demo observations are called out when used.<ref name="preview" />
	* '''Mutilate.''' A ~~preview~~ talent, not a baseline ability: its description combines both weapons, adds combo points, and gains a benefit against poisoned targets.		* '''Mutilate.''' A beta talent, not a baseline ability: its description combines both weapons, adds combo points, and gains a benefit against poisoned targets.
	* '''Venom.''' An Assassination finisher that improves poison behavior for a duration related to combo points. Check the article’s evidence label before relying on exact values.		* '''Venom.''' An Assassination finisher that improves poison behavior for a duration related to combo points. Check the article’s evidence label before relying on exact values.
	* '''One-handed axes.''' The export identifies axe use as a change, supported by the Axe/Sword grouping in [[Hack and Slash]]. Do not infer two-handed weapon access from that grouping.		* '''One-handed axes.''' The export identifies axe use as a change, supported by the Axe/Sword grouping in [[Hack and Slash]]. Do not infer two-handed weapon access from that grouping.

	== Plan a ~~first~~ beta session ==		== Plan a beta session ==
	These are suggested checks for learning the class and collecting useful evidence; they are not claims about the strongest build.		These are suggested checks for learning the class and collecting useful evidence; they are not claims about the strongest build.
	* Compare weapons against the actual Hack and Slash branch they activate, not only the item’s damage range.		* Compare weapons against the actual Hack and Slash branch they activate, not only the item’s damage range.
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	Use [[Race and class combinations#Rogue\|the Rogue race list]] to separate officially announced additions from the broader preview roster. Follow the linked [[Races\|race guides]] for recorded racials; a racial tooltip does not establish a universal best choice.		Use [[Race and class combinations#Rogue\|the Rogue race list]] to separate officially announced additions from the broader preview roster. Follow the linked [[Races\|race guides]] for recorded racials; a racial tooltip does not establish a universal best choice.

	== How the ~~preview plays~~ ==		== How the beta talent data fits together ==
	'''Talent evidence:''' ~~These examples explain the~~ source's ~~preview descriptions~~. ~~A description remains an estimate unless its individual rank is explicitly labeled~~ source~~-confirmed in the linked talent article~~. ~~Exact values and~~ the ~~interactions inferred from them remain provisional until checked for that~~ rank and build~~. Source checked means the references were reviewed; it does not mean the mechanics were tested~~.<ref name="preview" />		'''Talent evidence:''' The cited beta export supplies source-confirmed text for every rank of this class's current talents. That verifies the source text, not live behavior or final balance. Earlier demo estimates do not override the beta records; any separately labeled unverified observation still needs a rank and build check.<ref name="preview" />

	Icy Veins highlights different relationships between weapons, poisons, and bleeds in the three trees. The following examples use the ~~recorded~~ Forever talent conditions rather than its predictions about final damage rankings.<ref name="icy">Sellin, [https://www.icy-veins.com/wow-forever/rogue-class-overview Rogue Class Overview], Icy Veins, updated 15 September 2026; reviewed 17 September 2026.</ref><ref name="preview" />		Icy Veins highlights different relationships between weapons, poisons, and bleeds in the three trees. The following examples use the beta Forever talent conditions rather than its predictions about final damage rankings.<ref name="icy">Sellin, [https://www.icy-veins.com/wow-forever/rogue-class-overview Rogue Class Overview], Icy Veins, updated 15 September 2026; reviewed 17 September 2026.</ref><ref name="preview" />

	=== Assassination: separate poison setup from spending ===		=== Assassination: separate poison setup from spending ===
	[[Mutilate]] grants two combo points and deals additional damage when its target is poisoned. [[Venom]] spends combo points on a temporary poison benefit, with a longer duration for more points. That makes the state of the poison, current Energy, and remaining buff time useful things to track. It does not establish that every finisher should be Venom.<ref name="preview" />		[[Mutilate]] grants two combo points and deals additional damage when its target is poisoned. [[Venom]] spends combo points on a temporary poison benefit, with a longer duration for more points. That makes the state of the poison, current Energy, and remaining buff time useful things to track. It does not establish that every finisher should be Venom.<ref name="preview" />

	[[Improved Expose Armor]] changes both Energy cost and the combo-point refund after a five-point Expose Armor. The ~~source estimates a~~ one-point ~~refund~~ at rank 1 ~~and a~~ two~~-point refund~~ at rank 2~~; neither rank is source-confirmed in the catalog~~. Read the selected rank instead of assuming a single refund applies at every investment.<ref name="preview" />		[[Improved Expose Armor]] changes both Energy cost and the combo-point refund after a five-point Expose Armor. The beta export confirms the listed refunds: one combo point at rank 1, two at rank 2. Read the selected rank instead of assuming a single refund applies at every investment.<ref name="preview" />

	=== Combat: check which attack activates the benefit ===		=== Combat: check which attack activates the benefit ===
	[[Puncturing Wounds]] names Backstab and Mutilate; it is not a critical-strike bonus to every attack. [[Restless Blades]] ~~requires '''damaging finishing moves''' to reduce~~ the ~~remaining cooldowns of Adrenaline Rush, Blade Flurry, Evasion, Sprint, and Vanish. Spending combo points on a non~~-~~damaging buff is not enough under that wording. The tooltip describes~~ cooldown ~~reduction,~~ not ~~an immediate reset~~.<ref name="preview" />		[[Puncturing Wounds]] names Backstab and Mutilate; it is not a critical-strike bonus to every attack. [[Flawless Execution]] reduces Eviscerate's Energy cost by 10. It replaces the demo's [[Restless Blades]] entry, so the earlier finisher-based cooldown reductions must not be carried into a beta build.<ref name="preview" />

	[[Hack and Slash]] changes its effect with the weapon family. A weapon swap can therefore change the kind of benefit you receive even when your talent allocation stays the same.<ref name="preview" />		[[Hack and Slash]] changes its effect with the weapon family. A weapon swap can therefore change the kind of benefit you receive even when your talent allocation stays the same.<ref name="preview" />
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	== Control and preparation ==		== Control and preparation ==
	The ~~demo~~ spellbook still ~~records~~ Blind using Blinding Powder, and its control ends if the target takes damage. Plan reagents and target selection accordingly. Demo characters can also have talent-granted buttons in their spellbook: seeing Blade Flurry or Adrenaline Rush there does not make either ability baseline.<ref name="preview" />		The beta spellbook still lists Blind using Blinding Powder, and its control ends if the target takes damage. Plan reagents and target selection accordingly. Demo characters can also have talent-granted buttons in their spellbook: seeing Blade Flurry or Adrenaline Rush there does not make either ability baseline.<ref name="preview" />

	== What remains unresolved ==		== What remains unresolved ==
	This guide does not establish a final poison mix, weapon ranking, leveling allocation, or optimal finisher sequence. Those require combat observations and a recorded build.		This guide does not establish a final poison mix, weapon ranking, leveling allocation, or optimal finisher sequence. Those require combat observations and a recorded build.

	For corrections, record the game build, character level, spell or talent rank, and the observed interaction. Follow [[Project:Data policy]] and compare against [[Rogue talents]] before replacing ~~preview~~ information.		For corrections, record the game build, character level, spell or talent rank, and the observed interaction. Follow [[Project:Data policy]] and compare against [[Rogue talents]] before replacing build-specific information.

	== Sources ==		== Sources ==

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-'''Rogue''' — The Rogue preview uses Energy and combo points, with poison, weapon, and stealth interactions distributed across Assassination, Combat, and Subtlety. Talent names familiar from another edition can have different positions or effects here.<ref name="preview">Chris Baldwin, [https://talentsforever.com/rogue Talents Forever], [https://talentsforever.com/data.json CC BY 4.0 data export], snapshot 16 September 2026. Community transcription of BlizzCon demo footage and slides; checked 16 September 2026. Adapted and summarized for this guide. See [[Project:Talent data]] for evidence labels and attribution.</ref>
+'''Rogue''' — The Rogue preview uses Energy and combo points, with poison, weapon, and stealth interactions distributed across Assassination, Combat, and Subtlety. Talent names familiar from another edition can have different positions or effects here.<ref name="preview">Chris Baldwin, [https://talentsforever.com/rogue Talents Forever], [https://talentsforever.com/data.json CC BY 4.0 data export], snapshot 16 September 2026. Community transcription of BlizzCon demo footage and slides; rechecked 17 September 2026. Adapted and summarized for this guide. See [[Project:Talent data]] for evidence labels and attribution.</ref>
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 == Race choice ==
 Use [[Race and class combinations#Rogue|the Rogue race list]] to separate officially announced additions from the broader preview roster. Follow the linked [[Races|race guides]] for recorded racials; a racial tooltip does not establish a universal best choice.
 == What remains unresolved ==

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<div class="fw-notice">'''Preview guide · reviewed 16 September 2026.''' This page explains the recorded demo, not a tested launch build. Talent articles distinguish source-confirmed ranks from estimates and missing text.</div>

'''Rogue''' — The Rogue preview uses Energy and combo points, with poison, weapon, and stealth interactions distributed across Assassination, Combat, and Subtlety. Talent names familiar from another edition can have different positions or effects here.<ref name="preview">Chris Baldwin, [https://talentsforever.com/rogue Talents Forever], [https://talentsforever.com/data.json CC BY 4.0 data export], snapshot 16 September 2026. Community transcription of BlizzCon demo footage and slides; checked 16 September 2026. Adapted and summarized for this guide. See [[Project:Talent data]] for evidence labels and attribution.</ref>

Browse [[Rogue talents|all 53 Rogue talents]] with icons, ranks, prerequisites, and individual source notes.

== Choose a reading path ==
The following is an editorial route through the preview, not a recommended point allocation.<ref name="preview" />
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{| class="wikitable sortable fw-data-table"
! Talent tree !! What to compare !! Start with
|-
| Assassination || Poison application and finishers, including a dual-weapon attack. Read the weapon and poisoned-target conditions before comparing damage. || [[Improved Poisons]], [[Mutilate]], [[Seal Fate]], [[Venom]]
|-
| Combat || Weapon attacks, off-hand damage, and weapon-family bonuses. Hack and Slash gives different effects for different weapon groups. || [[Puncturing Wounds]], [[Dual Wield Specialization (Rogue)]], [[Hack and Slash]], [[Adrenaline Rush]]
|-
| Subtlety || Stealth access, openers, bleeds, and conditional follow-up attacks. Distinguish effects that require Stealth from effects that remove that requirement temporarily. || [[Initiative]], [[Hemorrhage]], [[Cutthroat]], [[Thousand Cuts]]
|}
</div>

== Abilities and changes worth checking ==
These are summarized from the pinned community demo transcription. Baseline spells and talents are identified separately where the source supports that distinction.<ref name="preview" />
* '''Mutilate.''' A preview talent, not a baseline ability: its description combines both weapons, adds combo points, and gains a benefit against poisoned targets.
* '''Venom.''' An Assassination finisher that improves poison behavior for a duration related to combo points. Check the article’s evidence label before relying on exact values.
* '''One-handed axes.''' The export identifies axe use as a change, supported by the Axe/Sword grouping in [[Hack and Slash]]. Do not infer two-handed weapon access from that grouping.

== Plan a first beta session ==
These are suggested checks for learning the class and collecting useful evidence; they are not claims about the strongest build.
* Compare weapons against the actual Hack and Slash branch they activate, not only the item’s damage range.
* For poison builds, distinguish application chance, poison damage, and the conditions on Mutilate; these are separate moving parts.
* For Subtlety, track the Energy cost and Stealth requirement of the follow-up attack after a proc rather than assuming it remains unchanged.

== Race choice ==
Use [[Race and class combinations#Rogue|the Rogue race list]] to separate officially announced additions from the broader preview roster. Follow the linked [[Races|race guides]] for recorded racials; a racial tooltip does not establish a universal best choice.

== What remains unresolved ==
This guide does not establish a final poison mix, weapon ranking, leveling allocation, or optimal finisher sequence. Those require combat observations and a recorded build.

For corrections, record the game build, character level, spell or talent rank, and the observed interaction. Follow [[Project:Data policy]] and compare against [[Rogue talents]] before replacing preview information.

== Sources ==
<references />

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